The "YES" side, or a large part of it, is celebrating - or simply unwinding - the 4 hour Board meeting by having a drink at Patty Boland's.
Open to all. A beer with Seamus Wolfe and François Picard on the day the SFUO joins the CFS as a prospective member. I can not imagine two happier people in Ottawa today.
PHOTO COURTESY OF JASON A. CHIU. THE CFS VOTE BLOG EXCLUSIVE.
Sunday, July 27, 2008
Turning point of the debate
To me, there were two turning points in the debate. Ryan Kennery certainly started off strongly and I felt many members around the table were being swayed by his presentation.
As the debate went on however, the "YES" side received huge endorsements by "non-partisan" individuals, such as Michael Brown (Common Law) and Dean Haldenby (President). These two figures are not seen as the "typical" pro-CFS crowd.
The three best speakers of the day were, in my opinion, Kyle Ryc's proxy (can someone tell me her name?), Virginie Corneau Ste-Hilaire and Renaud-Philippe Garner. Ironically, neither of the three are actual Board members.
Ryc's proxy expressed disdain by some of the arguments from the other side. This had resonance because of one phrase: "If I was not here today, I would have had no idea of what had been decided." She said as an "outsider", she felt this issue is too important to be decided by a handful of student politicians. She also used "You" and "Me", clearly distinguishing herself from the rest of the Board and she said "It insults MY intelligence." Other board members were speaking as though they were not students themselves. "We should respect students." What was powerful about her statement was how sincere it was.
The other strong presentation of the day comes from - surprise, surprise - Renaud-Philippe Garner (RPG). Despite a lot of pizazz and hurrah, RPG threw back the comment of "democracy" in the faces of certain members. "You were elected by the very same students you do not trust to make this decision."
Virginie Corneau Ste-Hilaire went the same direction with her intervention, and in the end, I think the three speeches combined pushed those who were undecided.
The "NO" side, which has dominated this debate for the last four years, lacked such sincerity.
It would be dishonest to claim backroom wheeling and dealing was not a major factor in today's vote. The BOA election results last February were a result of weeks of lobbying to get CFS-friendly people elected. Since then (and even before), there has been constant consultations with board members asking them how they feel about this issue. Both sides attempted to sway "swing" voters. In the end, one side, which also happens to have a strong presence at the Executive level, was more effective.
I was not expecting such a landslide (25-3!), but once it was obvious the vote was going to be won, I think many members of the Board took Kennery's "silver lining" approach expressed during his presentation. If "we" lose, he argued, it might be time to change strategies. Instead of fighting it, it might be time to work with the other side to try to improve it.
It will be an interesting campaign.
As the debate went on however, the "YES" side received huge endorsements by "non-partisan" individuals, such as Michael Brown (Common Law) and Dean Haldenby (President). These two figures are not seen as the "typical" pro-CFS crowd.
The three best speakers of the day were, in my opinion, Kyle Ryc's proxy (can someone tell me her name?), Virginie Corneau Ste-Hilaire and Renaud-Philippe Garner. Ironically, neither of the three are actual Board members.
Ryc's proxy expressed disdain by some of the arguments from the other side. This had resonance because of one phrase: "If I was not here today, I would have had no idea of what had been decided." She said as an "outsider", she felt this issue is too important to be decided by a handful of student politicians. She also used "You" and "Me", clearly distinguishing herself from the rest of the Board and she said "It insults MY intelligence." Other board members were speaking as though they were not students themselves. "We should respect students." What was powerful about her statement was how sincere it was.
The other strong presentation of the day comes from - surprise, surprise - Renaud-Philippe Garner (RPG). Despite a lot of pizazz and hurrah, RPG threw back the comment of "democracy" in the faces of certain members. "You were elected by the very same students you do not trust to make this decision."
Virginie Corneau Ste-Hilaire went the same direction with her intervention, and in the end, I think the three speeches combined pushed those who were undecided.
The "NO" side, which has dominated this debate for the last four years, lacked such sincerity.
It would be dishonest to claim backroom wheeling and dealing was not a major factor in today's vote. The BOA election results last February were a result of weeks of lobbying to get CFS-friendly people elected. Since then (and even before), there has been constant consultations with board members asking them how they feel about this issue. Both sides attempted to sway "swing" voters. In the end, one side, which also happens to have a strong presence at the Executive level, was more effective.
I was not expecting such a landslide (25-3!), but once it was obvious the vote was going to be won, I think many members of the Board took Kennery's "silver lining" approach expressed during his presentation. If "we" lose, he argued, it might be time to change strategies. Instead of fighting it, it might be time to work with the other side to try to improve it.
It will be an interesting campaign.
A No Vote is Not "Anti-Democratic"
Dan Gilman, a student present at the BOA meeting, spoke to me after the meeting. We exchanged a few words regarding the vote itself and I was really interested in his opinion on the issue. For one, he was openly against the adhesion - even as Prospective members.
He expressed his frustration in regards to certain statements made during the debate. To him, the CFS is not a democratic organization, so a No vote is preventing the SFUO from involving itself in an undemocratic process.
I must say, many interventions today came back to democracy and no one from the "NO" side addressed Gilman's point. Maybe he should have asked a member of the "NO" side for speaking rights, just like Renaud-Philippe Garner and Virginie Corneau Ste-Hilaire did.
He expressed his frustration in regards to certain statements made during the debate. To him, the CFS is not a democratic organization, so a No vote is preventing the SFUO from involving itself in an undemocratic process.
I must say, many interventions today came back to democracy and no one from the "NO" side addressed Gilman's point. Maybe he should have asked a member of the "NO" side for speaking rights, just like Renaud-Philippe Garner and Virginie Corneau Ste-Hilaire did.
Updates coming up
Including interviews, photos and comment.
Stay tuned. Should be up by 8PM Eastern Time.
Stay tuned. Should be up by 8PM Eastern Time.
No clapping. Very silent. But impressive feel.
RESULTS - THE VOTE - ROLL CALL!
Read the Motion here.
Members of the executive
Dean Haldenby - President - Yes
Roxanne Dubois - VP Finance - Yes
Danika Brisson - VP Student Affairs - Yes
Seamus Wolfe - VP University Affairs - Yes
Joël Larose - VP Social - Yes
Julie Séguin - VP Communications - Yes
Members of the board
Cameron Montgomery - Arts - Yes
Antonio Carito (Proxy) - Arts - Yes
Melanie Book (Proxy) - Arts - Yes
Michael Cheevers - Arts - Yes
Ryan Kennery - Arts - No
Michael Brown - Common Law - Yes
Jason Benovoy (Proxy) - Civil Law - Yes
Jonathan Weber - Engineering - Yes
Mélissa Borduas (Proxy) - Health Sciences - Yes
Kyle Ryc (Proxy) - Health Sciences - Yes
Laura Rachotte - Health Sciences - Yes
Joel Dupuis - Management - Yes
Khadija Kanji - Management - Yes
Mark Dornan - Science - No
Richard Mah (Proxy) - Science - No
Joel Fair (Proxy) - Science - Abstains
Jacques Trottier - Social Sciences - Yes
Mike Fancie - Social Sciences - Yes "for giving students a right to speak"
Ted Horton - Social Sciences - Yes
Samuel Breau (Proxy) - Social Sciences - Yes
Faris Lehn - Social Sciences - Yes
Amy Kishek - Social Sciences - Yes
Becky Wallace (Proxy) - Medicine - Yes
You do the math.
Members of the executive
Dean Haldenby - President - Yes
Roxanne Dubois - VP Finance - Yes
Danika Brisson - VP Student Affairs - Yes
Seamus Wolfe - VP University Affairs - Yes
Joël Larose - VP Social - Yes
Julie Séguin - VP Communications - Yes
Members of the board
Cameron Montgomery - Arts - Yes
Antonio Carito (Proxy) - Arts - Yes
Melanie Book (Proxy) - Arts - Yes
Michael Cheevers - Arts - Yes
Ryan Kennery - Arts - No
Michael Brown - Common Law - Yes
Jason Benovoy (Proxy) - Civil Law - Yes
Jonathan Weber - Engineering - Yes
Mélissa Borduas (Proxy) - Health Sciences - Yes
Kyle Ryc (Proxy) - Health Sciences - Yes
Laura Rachotte - Health Sciences - Yes
Joel Dupuis - Management - Yes
Khadija Kanji - Management - Yes
Mark Dornan - Science - No
Richard Mah (Proxy) - Science - No
Joel Fair (Proxy) - Science - Abstains
Jacques Trottier - Social Sciences - Yes
Mike Fancie - Social Sciences - Yes "for giving students a right to speak"
Ted Horton - Social Sciences - Yes
Samuel Breau (Proxy) - Social Sciences - Yes
Faris Lehn - Social Sciences - Yes
Amy Kishek - Social Sciences - Yes
Becky Wallace (Proxy) - Medicine - Yes
You do the math.
Amy Kishek calls the questions
Adam Ray clarifies
He is not saying no because he is against the CFS. He does not want to take power away from students.
Ray contests the argument that the course of actions following this decision will give students a fair and open debate. He says outside forces will come influence decisions.
PHOTO COURTESY OF FRANK APPLEYARD. THE CFS VOTE BLOG EXCLUSIVE.
Ray contests the argument that the course of actions following this decision will give students a fair and open debate. He says outside forces will come influence decisions.
PHOTO COURTESY OF FRANK APPLEYARD. THE CFS VOTE BLOG EXCLUSIVE.
Julie Seguin - VP Communications...
Gives her voice to a member of the audience. Virginie Corneau comes to these meetings every month, but never sits around the table. Involved student on campus says she prefers to stay an outsider.
She says this does not belong around the table. This belongs to students. Involving students. Students around campus. Campaigns. The whole point is to involve students. She says that those who want to vote no, are doing it to block her involvement, and others.
She says she has always wanted to participate and she finds it insulting to hear certain members of the board. (She gave a look to a certain member).
She admits not being Pro-CFS or Anti-CFS. But she wants to study it.
She says this does not belong around the table. This belongs to students. Involving students. Students around campus. Campaigns. The whole point is to involve students. She says that those who want to vote no, are doing it to block her involvement, and others.
She says she has always wanted to participate and she finds it insulting to hear certain members of the board. (She gave a look to a certain member).
She admits not being Pro-CFS or Anti-CFS. But she wants to study it.
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